About ten minutes into the film lonely, bullied 12 year old Shaun, who has recently lost his dad in the Falklands War passes under a bridge where a skinhead gang headed by kind and friendly Woody is hanging out. It is at this moment that I find myself leaning forward; my heart begins to race and I sense a familiar but not often felt excitement. THIS is why I watch movies. THIS is what I search for. This is a movie that will alter my DNA and ten minutes in I KNOW it. I wish someone was sharing this experience with me (which is why I began the blog!). From that point on I am in The Zone where the rest of the world ceases to exist (we all have one no doubt).
To me, each scene in this film could almost stand on its own as a one act play:
* The play that takes place under the bridge where Shaun is first introduced to his new substitute family.
* The play in the shoe store where the sales person convinces Shaun to buy the new shoes just in "from London!"
* The play that takes place as Shaun is initiated into the gang with a buzz cut and new clothing.
* The play where the guys dress up in costume and express their boundless energy safely by smashing out the abandoned house and hiding from Gadget in an old auditorium.
* The play where Shaun's mom brings him to the restaurant and confronts the gang about the new haircut.( Isn’t she just the most fabulous mom on the planet? )
* The play where they are at the party and Shaun hooks up romantically with the older girl ‘Smell’ (have we ever met anyone like her, black lipstick smeared after their kiss, “would you like to suck my tits?) and we meet the just out of jail gang member Combo.
* The play where Combo attempts to recruit them all into his White Nationalist crusade and ends up dividing the gang into two.
* The play where a well dressed representative of the National Front recruits Combo’s gang via his ‘THIS IS ENGLAND!’ speech.
* The absolutely SHATTERING climax where Combo turns upon his ‘family’ violently, releasing all the pain and rage of his life upon them. (In this play I am in the room with them. I am Milky receiving the blows, I am Combo delivering them, I am Shaun cowering in the hallway. The pain is searing. It is too much that we humans have to bear. It is not possible to survive in this world. But Shaun does. And most of us do . Scarred, battle worn, wiser, harder, more or less forgiving, more or less open and compassionate , more or less bitter and contained. We tend to go on , if given half a chance.)
The movie is over but it will stay with me forever. (DNA)
I rise and re-enter my own world shaking my head and repeating my mantra, “Life, can’t live with it, can’t live without it” and looking forward to the next episode of Sponge Bob.
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WELL, WELCOME BACK ALL.ANOTJER YEAR AND MORE AMAZING COMMENTS BY LEE. SOORY LEE CANT BE IWTH YOU ON THIS ONE.YES EXCELLENT BUT NOT MINDBLOWING TO ME. MAYBE BECAUSE I HAVE MORE YEARS THAN YOU. I FOUND IT DISTURBINDG AND SAD FOR SO MANY HORRIBLE LIVES. I KEEK SEEING THAT OVER AND OVER,DO NOT WANT TO BECOME CYNICAL BUT ITS DIFFICULT.
ANYWAY HAPPY BIRTHDAY AND PLEASE EVERYONE VOTE!!! THIS IS A REAL BIGGIE!!!!!
Without a doubt Smell is one of the most inventive and yet sincere characters I have met on the silver screen in some time. It would be hard to forget the close up of her black lipstick stained face and the conversation between her and Shaun in the shed.I agree, this was a movie that sticks to the ribs.
I was leaning forward as I watched the opening montage which revealed the historical/social context for us brilliantly. That alone was worth tuning in for!
I for one am glad the hiatus is over. As much fun as it was just talking about general stuff it is great to back watching the films.
I felt very similar to you on this one Lee. And watching it again this weekend I found the experience to be even more powerful if that is possible! Blank Slate's comment about 'Smell' is right on. The acting overall was, as Lee had mentioned last month, almost like watching a documentary. Sure Thing, the opening montage was absolutely instumental in providing us with the socio/political backround to really understand the environment these kids were growing up in. Shane Meadows the director showed such compassion for these characters. The only person who seemed to me completely without a positive human quality was Combo's hulk -like side kick. Even with Combo's visciousness we are able to find heart, warmth, confusion and ambivalence. He is obviously a product of his environment and seemed unable to rise above it. His emotional anguish when Milky shares the vivid details about his own large family and their closeness and traditions (which led to the brutal attack)gave us the insight we needed into Comb0's lack of the same in his life and how much this has hurt him. I really can't say enough about the many amazing aspects of this movie and look forward to hearing what others have to share. Perhaps I will write more later in the week after reading the other comments. Thanks Lee, and Happy Birthday!!!
5 stars.
Interesting idea about the mini-plays. I just thought it was a well put together movie.
I found it very,very sad, but an excellent portrayal of the ways of hate and madness. The movie was both fascinating and repulsive. The violence, because it was so realistic, just made me sick, as did the hatred that was being taught to young Shaun. The movie did have that feel of a documentary, so it frightened me moreso than entertained.
Smell disturbed me greatly, especially in her interactions with Shaun, as did Combo. Yes, they were all products of their environments, but still I didn't find much to like in either of them. Their lives, perhaps, were just too different from mind.
What were the most interesting parts to me where how Shaun was taken in and "groomed" in the ways of the gang. I felt his grief and his mother's absence and saw the film mainly as a cautionary tale for mothers who don't keep up with their children. I thought it was an important story to see, but so very sad and violent, both physically and emotionally.
A Hearty Welcome to Blank Slate, Craig and VJPurpleQueen! And welcome back Bitsie and Sure Thing.
VJPurpleQueen, I could not agree with you more about how interesting (and bizarre) it was to see Shaun being "groomed' first by Woody and Co.(literally) and then by Combo. Remember the slo-mo shots where Woody's gang is all walking down the street together looking tough as shit and then later the exact same shot of Combo's gang with Sean wearing that long dark sort of 'pea' coat? The transformation Shaun had made by then, THAT was frightening.
Dear-me, FINALLY you got to write about the movie. Your comment was well worth waiting for. Thanks for your patience. Tick Tock!
For anyone who loves this film may I suggest the home web site for it:
ThisIsEnglandMovie.co.uk/
and be sure to watch the footage of Shaun's (Thomas Turgoose) original audition for the movie with the director Shane Meadows.
I enjoyed the comments by both Dear-Me and VJPurplequeen.
I too am glad the vacation is over. (from the blog...not summer!)
Combo & Milky's long talk (before it became violent) opened my eyes to a bit of cultural history I never knew. Once upon a time in England there were the Rockers and the Mods. In the late sixties, they morphed into the Hippies and the Skinheads. The skinheads were originally about MUSIC, if you can believe it. "Oi!" and Ska are music styles related to Reggae. (I dont have any facts handy, so I'm not giving this subject its due).
Skinheads had social attitudes, and were proud of their lower-class origins, but they weren't the evil Hitler-worshiping turds we know them as today. This film, it seems, catches them as they make that transition.
Anyone who knows of a book or web site that covers this history in detail, please share!
I was going to write this last night but ended up watching the coverage of Hurricane "IKE" all night!
This was one of the best movies I've seen this year for many, many reasons. Not least of which was the soundtrack. Thankyou to JackR for the link over to the official website which in and of itself was a work of true quality.
The comments about the character of "Smell" so far have been interesting, especially the one from VJPQ about how disturbing her actions towards Shawn were. To be very honest I had not thought of that aspect of it while watching but since reading the post I have given it much thought and discussed with a few other people I know who watched. If the sexes had been reversed and Shawn was a twelve year old girl I no doubt would have reacted very differently to those scenes. As it was, I found them amusing and 'sweet' as opposed to ominous and exploitative. A lot of food for thought here and I am curious how the rest of you felt about that.
How old does everyone think 'Smell' is supposed to be in this movie? My guess is about 17, maybe younger? Alden & VJPQ brought up some good points on the sexual exploitation issues but I think we need to know the difference in their ages (in the movie) to make a judgement call.
I'm thinking more like 15. Girls often grow WAY faster than boys at that age and she is covered with heavy duty makeup. If she is 15 and Shaun 12, doesn't seem like much of a stretch to me, especially as they are all part of a tight group. If she is 17, that would certainly be more of a problem.
Someone on another blog wrote that they felt it to be unrealistic that Shaun would so quickly 'forsake' Woody's gang in favor of Combo's. My reply to this is:
I didn't see it as Shaun forsaking his original friends. He was obviously HIGHLY vulnerable at this point in his life to any strong influences that came his way and though Woody and gang were fun as hell to be around, Woody's influence was no match for Combo's authoritative nature when it came to a situation like this. Combo went right for the jugular, he was extremely manipulative as most charismatic cult (gang) leaders are. The jugular in this case was Shauns feelings about his dad's death in the Falkland's war and wanting and needing to make sense of it. Combo came strait out and told him that his dad's death would be in vain if people like him did not fight to hold on to 'England' in the sense that the National Front was espousing. Also Combo PURPOSELY became an immediate dad figure to Shaun, unlike Woody who was more of a benign brother and friend.
Here is the comment I put on Netflix discussion for "This Is England" in response to the comment about the ending being "over the top":
The fight between Combo & Milky was violent (almost ultra-violent) but (IMHO) was not over the top. It was necessary for the film. It parallels how the skinheads moved from their origins as a social group and fans of Ska and Oi! music into the Neo-Nazis we see today. We already know that Combo is emotionally stunted: he spent three years in jail mooning over a girl he had a one-night stand with. Watch the pain in his face as she tells him she would rather forget it had happened. Then watch his face as he goes from a drunken comraderie (sp?) with Milky into a rage as Milky describes in great detail all the family and love he has, love Combo knows he will never experience. He is a man alone in the world.
As he pummels Milky all the hurt and rage that he has hidden behind a mask of toughness is unleashed. This man, clever enough to bring wounded boys and men into his circle, is so wounded himself that he becomes a willing tool of the National Front politicians.
Checking in here on the issue of 'Smell' and her age. I would agree with Carolyn R. T. on her probably looking older than she is and being in the 15 year range. One of my favorite scenes n the film was the one in which Smell is actually sitting down to 'tea' with Shaun's mom in the kitchen having what appeared to be a sort of 'meet & greet'. Smell's attempt at explaining the origin of her own name was hysterical and Shaun's mom was perfect in her politeness and respect. I think if Smell were much older than Shaun his mom would have been acting quite differently. And yes, Shaun's mom should have been keeping up to date with the day to day life of her son and found out that he had moved into a different and NOT benign gang....but I felt she really was doing the best she could under the circumstances. In an ideal world we would all know every change and movement for the worse that our kids are getting into but it's just not always possible. And I'm sure she learned her lesson and will be even more vigilant in the future. The relationship between her and Shaun was overall better and closer and more communicative than I'm sure many are. But I'm glad V.J.P.Q. brought it up as it was worth giving some thought to.
And I want to thank Jackr for the websit einformation, it was one of the most well put together sites I have seen as far as a home site for a film. It was great to be able to go through the soundtrack in detail and the interview with Shaun /Thomas was great. He did seem like the same character almost. Shane MEadows must have felt he had struck gold when he met this guy!!!!
Great pick Lee, and another film I probably would not have seen otherwise. Thanks! Watched it for a second time last night. Wish I had more time to comment, but for now, loved the movie, casting was perfect, and rare among films dealing with similar subject matter the director's empathy for his characters was palpable. Per some previous entries, Rosamund Hanson (Smell) was apparently 15 at the time of filming, Thomas (Shaun) 14 when the picture was released. In the film, of course, we know Shaun was 12 from Combo's comment, and Smell becomes "legal" (16) on her birthday. Must say, the one event in the film that did not ring entirely true for me was when Shaun's mom confronts the "gang" after his haircut and ends up leaving him in their care. Of course you either cut the scene entirely or the movie ends right there, and if you cut the scene the implication would be that Shaun's mother didn't care at all what he was up to. Either way, not consistent with her character. Still, great film. I wondered, reading previous postings, if anyone else had seen "Made in Britain," starring Tim Roth in his first role. This film covers some of the same ground and was actually released during the time described, 1982. Very different film, but Tim Roth is remarkable.
I'm glad to see a few of the 'regulars' back such as Bitsie and Oldman. I'm also relieved to see that you have extended the conversation Lee as I thought I'd missed the boat on this one. There are lots of interesting threads here, Smell, Shaun's mom, Mods, music, etc. My guess is that this conversation could go on for months!
I was blown away by the opening montage of riot scenes. For the audience that recognised the images, I'm sure it helped define the time period, the polital climate, and maybe specific individual conflicts that were a part of the riots. Too bad we american's (in general) cant get that extra bit of grounding. I found myself wondering who are these people? What are they fighting for? How was Maggie Thatcher looked upon at that exact moment by the lower classes portrayed in the film?
So many questions....
Oldman mentions Alan Clarke's 1982"Made in Britain" which was a powerful movie and probably has held up well over the years. I think I'll take another look at it. David, you should check it out. Being that this was Tim Roth's first film I found this quote from one of his interviews about the film interesting:
Tim Roth: "I was doing some temp work in town, over a telephone, which is what quite a lot of out of work actors do in Britain, or used to do. I don’t know if they do it now. And, I was cycling back and I had a flat tyre and I went into this theatre at the Oval that I worked at and they didn’t have a pump, but they were telling me that there were these auditions that were going to take place. And they said, ‘You don’t mind shaving your head do you?’ I said, ‘No’, because I’d done it before. And they said, ‘Why don’t you go up, play a skin- head?’ So I went up to meet Alan and got on with him very well and then they gave me the script, I went away, looked at it, came back. I had, I think there were three meetings: one where the producer came in, and then the next one, and then the writer, I think, as well, or the other way round. It was Margaret Matheson (producer), David Leland (writer), and Alan. And then I got the job. It was the first time I was ever in front of the camera. It was a very, very interesting experience for me."
Though there wasn't really a strong story line as there is in "This is England" it sure managed to get its point across.
I loved both films. And though "American X" doesn't seem to get much approval I loved that as well, with Ed Norton. All three had mindbogglingly strong performances by the main characters.
Anonymous, the opening montage blew me away as well.
Thanks, Lee, for the welcome. I realized that last time I tried, I wasn't signed up. Now I am, and am happy to join in this fascinating discussion.
David's comments about the transitioning of the skinheads makes a lot of sense. I had not known that they were once more about music than hatred and violence.
And I guess Smell's age would be the detail needed. I saw her as "an older woman" to Shawn, thought she was in her early 20s. That is why her interactions with Shaun disturbed me a lot. And actually Shaun seemed younger than his 12 years to me. I thought he was about 9 or 10.
I am not sure what to say about the the violence in the movie. It felt over the top to me, but any kind of violence upset me easily. I do understand what you are saying about Combo's anger and issues, but still, I could have seen less violence and still gotten those inferences. My heart just went out to Milky.
And yes, I agree about the mom. I felt that she was dealing with her own grief, was probably doing the best she could, but I thought she could have been more of a comfort to Shaun early on so that he didn't need to go out looking for his dad in the wrong places, and I doubt that she knew about Smell's intimate interactions with her son, would have seen Smell as just a friend. But I felt that the mother's meeting was way too surface, that the mother seemed rather intimidated by them. I thought she should have delved deeper into the company her son was keeping, but I do understand that maybe she just couldn't. I agree with oldman that this was the one scene that didn't make sense to me, that after she met them some major red flags would have been raised or at least some indication from her about why she let her son continue being around these people.
I agree that the opening montage was brilliant!
Wow, I am SOOOOO glad that we extended this conversation. This is FAH and WWW!
Thanks to JackR for the website. Very cool.
David interesting point about the Skinhead's origins in music.
ALden, I too watched Ike all night, nature at it's finest, better than any movie! And what a miracle that there wasn't a 25 foot wave to sweep away all the thousands of folks who strangely decided to play Russian Roulette with the storm. Welcome back FilmLuver. Thank you TimHOyt for the quote by Tim Roth! American X was a stunning film and Ed Norton was ,as usual, incredible..
And a huge welcome back to Oldman! And thankyou for rminding us that Smell was 16 based on her birthday party. Last/resort, the scene with Smell and Mom in the kitchen was one of my favorites as well.
I'd like to adress VJPQ and Oldman's similar take on the way Shaun's mom handled the first meeting with Woody's gang and Shaun after his haircut.
I feel so differently about that and find it fascinating how we can all see the same thing and have such disparate interpretations. That indeed is what these dialogues are all about and why I enjoy having them!
My reactions are as follows: Shaun has been coming home from school in a state of absolute despair and misery lately, so much so that he begs her to let them move away. He is being relentlessly bullied at school with no apparent relief in sight. She herself cannot realistically do anything to stop this harrassment of her son nor can she move away. Along comes Woody and pals. She is shocked and concerned when she sees the haircut and takes the appropriate and I felt brave action of confronting the gang. Once there she gets an instinctive sense that this is a 'good' group of kids who will overall not be harmful to her son and may indeed give him the sense of belonging and physical and emotional protction he not only craves but NEEDS at this point to continue going to school without danger! She lets them know that she is in charge, she is keeping tabs and don't fuck with her or Shaun but thanks for taking care of my kid. What she DIDN"T know and really how could she have, was that there was a whole back story to an old member, Combo, that was going to turn this positive experience on its head in a short time. THAt is where she fell short in my opinion, in not noticing the changes that occured AFTER Combo entered the picture. I truly feel she was right on in her initial acceptance of Shaun into Woody's gang. For me, it was lack of follow up that was the problem.
Any who how, thank you all so much for this wonderful dialogue.
I am somewhat on the fence regarding how Shaun's mom handled things. I appreciate all the arguments from both sides and can see Oldman's point and yet what Lee says strikes me as a realistic asessment as well. When I saw it the first time I felt very comfortable with how she dealt with them all in the restaurant and I watched it again last night taking into account the negative interpretations. They both are valid but I think I'm leaning towards Lee's view point for myself in that the problem was more in her lack of 'followup'. Great discussion everyone.
Have certainly been enjoying the comments for this film. Lee, I thought your division of the film into one act plays was quite original. Never would have thought to look at the film as a larger aggregate of smaller worlds; quite interesting to do so.
finetune's comment last month about how this movie had a documentary feel to it caught my attention, too. Recalled to mind a movie that affected me quite a bit in 1996 called _Girls Town_, with Lili Taylor in it, which also very much felt like a documentary, similar subject matter: gritty portrayal of teen life. Remember reading somewhere online that for _Girls Town_ they did extensive improvisation among the central characters. Noticed from the cast bios on the website that JackR referred us to (thanks for that!) that a lot of the cast came from an improv workshop as well. Was an immediate honesty to both films that really could just draw the viewer in.
Learned a lot about different forms compassion can take in this film. Not exactly the ways that they would approve of in Sunday school, but they were present even so. Starting from that scene where Lee was on the edge of her seat when Shaun stumbled across his chosen family under that bridge. Like, I guess the way to be nice to guys who are getting picked on is to ...pick on other people around him who aren't him for a change, I guess, or invite him out the following day and show him a good time by breaking stuff in an abandoned house and wreaking havoc. Or like when Combo actively didn't beat Shaun up when Shaun got up in the meeting and started throwing punches at Combo. To say nothing of all the rest of the loads and loads of stuff that was going on in that scene.
For whatever reason, the scene where I was laughing my head off was the scene where Smell was at tea with Shaun's mother that other people have mentioned. I'm still not sure why. I think it had something to do with the symmetry of the shot, and like Shaun's mom with her 80's mom look on one side of the frame and Smell with her totally different but totally also 80's look on the other. I thought both their deliveries were just fantastic. I couldn't stop howling.
Thanks to everyone for asking and clarifying how old Smell was. I can't believe she was 15/16, except I guess from the sweetness of her personality I could believe she was that young. Maybe it was the sheer size of her hair that made her look older.
As to Shaun's mom confronting the group in the restaurant after Shaun's haircut, I pretty much agree with everything that's been mentioned so far about it. I do agree with Lee that Shaun's mom was fabulous in that scene. My reaction to that scene sitting through it was basically oh my gosh I can't believe she is doing that. As in, she had a lot of guts; at the same time, it had to be mortifyingly awkward for everyone involved, Shaun not the least of which. The way I can see all interpretations mentioned so far probably has something to do with just all that goes into the job of parenting. My guess about parenting is that if it's done unconditionally it really has to subsume and negotiate the whole awful ball of wax of whatever life can throw at a child. Which I guess means that it's one of those things that can take on any interpretation that's cast upon it because everything's in there to begin with. She should have protected her kid more. There were forces at play that were beyond her or any parent. Perhaps if she took a stronger role, it may have torn both her to pieces and her kid as well. In the middle of all that she saw there was some kindness and genuine regard for her son in the gang. I think all of that can be true at the same time.
Uh, the split-off between the group that went with Woody and the group that went with Combo was particularly striking. Like the guys with the lowest self-esteem went off with Combo, and then there was Shaun, with a lot of super-strong and super-manipulated forces fighting inside him trying to gain some semblance of a workable order. There's a lot there to turn my hair white...if in reality those are the sort of boys that grow into men to take similar boys under wing. Also food for thought that Shaun had the wherewithal to turn against it in the end, whereas men like Combo did not.
Also really interesting to hear the white supremacists rallying behind the supremacy of England, from a foreign viewpoint. Made it somehow remote in a way that I would not have guessed at before.
I liked dear-me's comment about the director's compassion for the characters. They all really did have a lot going on, living paradoxes each one, just as we all are.
At any rate, thanks for the discussion extension, Lee, and thanks again for yet another thought-provoking movie recommendation. I agree with blank slate that this is a movie that sticks to the ribs.
P.S. Bitsie, I'll make sure to vote this election for many reasons, including your encouragement to do so. :-)
Yeah!!! Cherry's back!!!!!
Cherry's comments are as interesting as the movie itself. Loved what she wrote about the issues of Shaun's mom's role:
"There were forces at play that were beyond her or any parent. Perhaps if she took a stronger role, it may have torn both her to pieces and her kid as well. In the middle of all that she saw there was some kindness and genuine regard for her son in the gang. I think all of that can be true at the same time."
Thanks for acknowledging the incredible complexity of parenting and the paradoxes.
In fact this entire discussion should be given a five star rating.
LEM EOS BMM BMH LLI on both the movie and the discussion.
I want to thank everyone who participated in this discussion. I must say honestly that it has been one of my favorites. Let's see if moving the films to tri-weekly can help everyone keep up with the films and have a chance to post their reactions. It is a compromise between those that requested it to be a once a month forum and those wishing it to remain at bi-monthly. See you at the movies, ENJOY!!!!
Lee Paris
Cherry, thanks for raising the issue of how men can care for (or be "nice" to) boys, even men who are who are racist assholes.
Shaun didn't need another person to tell him he was OK, or go to school to talk to the teachers. His mother already does that. He has his mother's love; but he needs the love and guidance of a father. And both Woody and Combo provide that.
You're right: Woody "seduced" Shaun by letting him be a tough guy in the safe environment of his gang. The trip to the abandonded house was an initiation ceremony, complete with ceremonial clothes, a trip to a strange new place and a chance to do new things.
It was when Woody wouldn't or couldn't protect Milky from Combo's verbal abuse that Shaun started to doubt Woody and move towards Combo, the dominant male.
Combo's dealings with Shaun were masterful: He, too, gave Shaun a safe place to be angry. He extolled the virtues or Shaun's father. He told Shaun, in effect "I understand your pain. I've been where you are and I made it. Let me show you how it's done."
New gang, new initiation ceremony: The trip to the political rally and the robbing of the grocery store. (Is a person allowed to have more than one initiation ceremony in a lifetime??--any thoughts--)
It was only when Combo beat Milky that Shaun saw Combo was not safe. I don;t know where Shun ends up finding his male role model (and lord knows he needs one) but he has more wisdom than most his age when choosing one now. And his mother's willingness to give him the space to do that has served him better than any number of talks with the principal.
Agree with Cherry's point about the movie and its "immediate honesty." The tension from the very beginning of the movie was almost tangible and so engaging.
Great insight about "the way to be nice to guys who are being picked on..." Ha. This comment cracked me up with its truth.
Interesting points too about the confrontation between Shaun's mom and the group. Some things I had not thought about. I agree how varying interpretations are possible now, and how that relates to parenting. I don't recall if the mother had any scenes without her son. She was the mother, THE parent and outside judgement is always so subjective. What can we do for our children? How much can we do for them? Thanks for this angle.
And thanks, David, for the "dominant male" theory. I had not thought of that before. I had thought it was more out of fear on Shaun's part, which may be a similar concept. Combo had the most power, so he'd be the one to align oneself with. And great insight about Shaun's choice in the end. Maybe because he had his mother's love, he was able to see through the madness, to recognize hate and reject it.
VJPQ, glad to see you carrying on the discussion!
If you got a kick out of Cherry's comment I encourage you to go back to the earliest discussions in which she was really involved. I find whatever she has to say FAH, EOS, LLI, BMM and quite often DNA!
I'm thrilled that people such as Cherry (and recently yourself!) have shared their talent on the blog. It makes all the effort of putting this together exciting and rewarding and encourages me to keep on going with it.
Thankyou!
Well, thank you, Lee. I am just seeing that I was late with my comments, didn't know the discussion had ended. Ha! I'm always up for putting in my 2 cents (er, make that $2, due to inflation) worth in. I have checked out many of the back discussions, especially before I could post myself. Yeah, they are great and I did recognize Cherry's from those! Glad you are doing this too. I don't check on the computer everyday, but I like to come here to see what you are watching and discussing when I can.
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